i've finally had the opportunity to read the october 1, 2005 watchtower regarding education.
even though this board had already prepared me for what i was going to be seeing, it still surprised me.
i cannot believe that they are still demonizing post secondary education.
There's another topic on a bethel sister that got some award, and is going to Columbia U in NY, who is pursuing a Law degree, paid for byWTSthe donations sent to expand the worlwideworkbrainwashing, what hypocrisy, but they are saying JW children shouldn't get a higher education, what bull!
Its like Orwell said, they are all pigs, just some pigs are more equal than others.
i remember scanning real money and with photoshop pasting the picture of an elder on the bill over the face of the queen.
then i printed many bills.
it looked very real.
Like 144's mine happened at home but I think it deserves honorable mention. A couple of elders stop by the house while I am still living at my parents and going to college. I was never baptized and hadn't been to a meeting in over a year at that time. They tell me that they want to talk about all the partying I am doing at school and so on. Then they tell me they asked my parents permssion to chat with me and told them everything they knew. I was incensed, I'm 20 years old and you are telling my mother what I am up to, upsetting the poor woman half to death, she thinks I'm bird food anyway.
So, without further ado I tell them to get out, this conversation is over and to help them on their way I grab the one nimrod's briefcase and on the porch do a half discus half hammer throw move and send that mother sailing.
I believe I hold the unofficial world record for the briefcase toss.
hundreds of supplementary publications written by unnamed authors that can hide behind the watchtower and bible tract society and say anything without referencing it.
lately, i have been thinking that this is one of the reasons that the society does not encourage higher education.
try handing in an essay without your name on it, try not referencing your essay, try having no works cited, try to have only 1 works cited, try quoting out of context, try spewing statistics or numbers or trends in your essay with no reference or date, add ellipsis that only alert your instructor to the potential of hidden information, or try presenting as support for your thesis a third party quote.
They are so frikin' purile... no substance... an easily dismantlable manipulative technique... fallacious argumentation... arghhh... I can't believe I didn't notice until I got myself an education.As has been said, it's almost impossible to even flick through them without your teeth being put on edge.
Perfectly put. Occasionally when I am at one of my relatives houses I will pick one up out of some dark black humor compulsion and just silently freak out at what I am reading, or in case they are out of toilet paper.
it is for me.
i find that when i tell a person exactly how witnesses think and why they believe in things the certain way they do, it feels good!
listening to myself express the craziness of the religion makes me abhor their practices and mind control.
More catharitic than therapeutic for me. Helps me get rid of the anger that I feel towards the WBTS. Give them a good beating and I feel better.
the atheists have done a pretty good job on me, i am just about to cast my lot in with them after all the reading and debating on the issue.
they just seem to have all the answers and appear to hold the intellectual high ground, they do a good job of making one feel like a complete idiot for believing in a god, much less the christian version.
so now that i am almost free of this delusional, magical thinking, religious burden of foolishly believing in a god and that there is anymore to life than what is right here how do i feel?
Just wanted to say thanks again to everyone that responded to this thread, it meant alot and it gave me plenty to think about. GBL, Greendawn, Love, all of you, thanks! Just when I think i have a grip on things something flares up and messes with my equilimbrium.
Life is pretty strange, so much of it is perspective, and the highs and lows, what an odd lot we have. Still trying to get my head around it, for the last 20 years I just didn't think about this stuff, it was school, marriage, family, build my practice and I just sort of went along with the flow not really giving things much thought. Then I stumble on this site and I say, hey, great, I'll chat with some ex-jw's, something I never have done in all my years since being out and I end up getting much more than I bargained for. Bunch of apostates get me thinking about a lot more than just how much I despise the borg, they get me thinking about everything.
Damn the whole lot of you!!!!
KLS, you asked if I think my loved ones were suffering, no, I never got into that end of it, but I hoped maybe they were someplace better, and hey, who knows, even if I do decided to disbelieve fully, still doesn't mean its not possible.
is anyone following the bird flu reports?
the government in britain are officially preparing for 50,000 deaths in britain and unofficially 750,000.. .
we have ordered vaccines but we are low down on the list for vaccines in europe because our government placed the order late.
All I can think of are the Stephen King novels that dealt with flu epidemics, the Stand being the most popular. Talk about a possible prophet, scares the heck out of me.
james here; exjw for about 25 years.
was "in" from 1963 to 1980 due to parental "guidance" beyond my own good sense.. have been to elder school, bethel, wthq, etc..., knew many of franz heretics in the mid-late 70 trouble from oklahoma city.. have many silly stories to offer...but for now just will say this - .
if your "god" was really going to come down here and kill everybody on earth except for the wt people who the society liked, would you not stand up to fly the first fighter jet against such a horrible alien?.
Welcome James, can't wait to hear the stories you have to tell. Don't be shy, tell all!
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is there anyone here who actually support jws or is everyone disassociated?.
Welcome to the forum! There are some that are still active and pro organization here, their names escape me at the moment but I'm sure someone else can supply them for you.
the atheists have done a pretty good job on me, i am just about to cast my lot in with them after all the reading and debating on the issue.
they just seem to have all the answers and appear to hold the intellectual high ground, they do a good job of making one feel like a complete idiot for believing in a god, much less the christian version.
so now that i am almost free of this delusional, magical thinking, religious burden of foolishly believing in a god and that there is anymore to life than what is right here how do i feel?
Also, just wanted to say thanks to everyone else that responded, KLS, Kid-A Robert, Doof, Dave, Dez, SNG, Auld, Seeker, Kiddotan, Dan, Dazz, Mysterious, and of course Tetragod, your imput was well taken and accepted in the spirit given, thanks again!
the atheists have done a pretty good job on me, i am just about to cast my lot in with them after all the reading and debating on the issue.
they just seem to have all the answers and appear to hold the intellectual high ground, they do a good job of making one feel like a complete idiot for believing in a god, much less the christian version.
so now that i am almost free of this delusional, magical thinking, religious burden of foolishly believing in a god and that there is anymore to life than what is right here how do i feel?
Thanks Doog, that was very cool, mucho appreciated.
